Discussion:
[APRS] APRS CQ FD tomorrow! Here is a way
WD8ARZ
2014-06-27 18:20:38 UTC
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Hello Bob, there is a way to get those messages to count - NTS formatted.

Info from: http://nx5mk.blogspot.com/2014/06/aprs-for-field-day.html

I can post a more complete message about ALE, WINMOR, NTS Traffic,
Texting Cell Phones, Email Options for Field Day 2014 here if you would
like me to.

73 from Bill - WD8ARZ
Don’t forget, you can call CQ to every other APRS Field Day site in
the country using Pete’s CQSRVR (or Lynn’s ANSRVR).
Sitting there at your portable FD APRS station, reach out to the world.
STEP 1: Just send an APRS message to CQSRVR and make the first two
words of the message be “CQ FD 
” and your exchange.
Your message will go to every other APRS FD site that has also sent
such a message.
But like any band, calling CQ is usless unless someone answers.
STEP 2: When you see similar CQ’s from other APRS stations, now you
have their callsign!
STEP 3: MAKE the QSO by now sending a specific MESSAGE to their
CALLSIGN acknowledging their exchange info.
STEP 4: When you see an ACK, the QSO is complete.
These contacts do NOT COUNT for FD points. But heck, it is fun, and
what else is APRS for but fun and showing off.
See http://aprs.org/cqsrvr.html
Bob, Wb4APR
WD8ARZ
2014-06-28 07:36:52 UTC
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Hello Bob, there is a way to get those messages to count - NTS formatted.

Info from: http://nx5mk.blogspot.com/2014/06/aprs-for-field-day.html

I can post a more complete message about ALE, WINMOR, NTS Traffic,
Texting Cell Phones, Email Options for Field Day 2014 here if you would
like me to.

73 from Bill - WD8ARZ
Don't forget, you can call CQ to every other APRS Field Day site in
the country using Pete's CQSRVR (or Lynn's ANSRVR).
Sitting there at your portable FD APRS station, reach out to the world.
STEP 1: Just send an APRS message to CQSRVR and make the first two
words of the message be "CQ FD ..." and your exchange.
Your message will go to every other APRS FD site that has also sent
such a message.
But like any band, calling CQ is usless unless someone answers.
STEP 2: When you see similar CQ's from other APRS stations, now you
have their callsign!
STEP 3: MAKE the QSO by now sending a specific MESSAGE to their
CALLSIGN acknowledging their exchange info.
STEP 4: When you see an ACK, the QSO is complete.
These contacts do NOT COUNT for FD points. But heck, it is fun, and
what else is APRS for but fun and showing off.
See http://aprs.org/cqsrvr.html
Bob, Wb4APR
WD8ARZ
2014-06-28 07:43:48 UTC
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Marcus NX5MK brought to my attention that the ARRL Field Day 2014 NTS
style messages via APRS and ALE AMD is ok by the ARRL.
Please check out his link for the details.
http://nx5mk.blogspot.com/2014/06/aprs-for-field-day.html
http://nx5mk.blogspot.com/2014/06/arrl-field-day-2014-nts-style-messages.html


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MarsAle Pilot Stations are on the air and available for Field Day
traffic activity.

Some Pilot Stations, such as WD8ARZ, may be running Winmor that is
operating linked to MarsAle. The advantage is that WINMOR then can be
used on multiple frequencies as the operation depends on the multiple
frequencies used by MarsAle. The frequency you can connect to with
Winmor on, depends on the scanning frequencies of MarsAle. MarsAle Pilot
Station Frequencies are:

03596.0KHZ USB, 07102.0KHZ USB, 10145.5KHZ USB, 14109.0KHZ USB,
18106.0KHZ USB, 21096.0KHZ USB, 24926.0KHZ USB, and 28146.0KHZ USB

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Use an Ale Program to connect to a MarsAle Pilot Station in ALE mode -
while your ALE is scanning the above frequencies (or your choice of
those frequencies), choose the CALL option and put in the call of the
station you wish to connect to. A connection will be established on a
frequency that has the propagation between that station and your
location. Or place your system manually on the frequency you wish to
use, and call the station of interest there.

ALE program can be downloaded from:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hflink/files/-PCALE_Download/PC-ALE%20v1.08%20Test%20Builds

'How To' set up help is here:
http://hflink.com/pcale/setup/

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Traffic can be sent using the MarsAle station. After initial ALE link,
use only the universal short text message for ALE, called an AMD. An AMD
message request to the other operator can optionally ask for other
digital text keyboarding, QSY, or a voice QSO. ALE AMD: is the
"universal" ALE text message system common to all ALE software and
hardware, also known as Orderwire Message, or Automatic Message Display.

MarsAle Pilot Station can send messages / mail using BbsLink or AleStat
interfaced to their MarsAle program. How to send and receive mail is the
same for both systems and is described at: http://hflink.net/bbslink/

Using PC-ALE or MARS-ALE with DBM ARQ
As detailed in the link at: http://hflink.net/bbslink/

Send a multiple line email text message using PCALE or MARS-ALE:
*Link with the HFN Pilot Station, and can verify that the station status
is ready using the STAT command via AMD. Receive the status AMD from the
Pilot Station.

*Select the PCALE pull down menu Data>DBM MSG.
*A text entry window will appear.
*Select ARQ
*In the lower box TO: pull down and select the Pilot Station's callsign
you are currently linked with (if it is not already displayed).
*Do not select BRD. Do not select Terminate when done.
*Type the BBSLINK COMMAND and PARAMETER and the SUBJECT LINE in the
first line with all caps.
*The text after the email address becomes the subject line of the email.
*Type your email message body in the next lines after the first line.
*Add 3 lines at the bottom with only END END END, /EX, /EX (this is the
end of the message indicator)

Example:

To send a NTS message using PCALE, MARSALE, or Multipsk:
WL2K SP ***@county.org 4 R NX5MK ARL 3 EM34ST JUN 29 URCALLSIGN BT
ARL FIFTY X BT NX5MK AR

Or

WL2K SP ***@COUNTY.ORG READY AT SITE
We are set up at the disaster assistance site.
END END END
/EX
/EX

Note 1. Please limit your DBM email to 2000 characters.
Note 2. Please do not send blank lines in your message.

Send an SMTP message via an internet SMTP server rather than WL2K:
As detailed in the link at: http://hflink.net/bbslink/

SMTP SP ***@DOMAIN.ORG HELLO WE ARE HERE

Here is some information about what the email will look like to the
recipient:
From: Is the station that initiated the BBSLINK command, converted to
lowercase and with the default domain appended. (typically: winlink.org
or hflink.net)
To: Is the target address in the BBSLINK command
Subject: is the text in the initial command
Body: The message body is the remaining lines of the DBM message or a
simple line if an AMD message.

Upon successful delivery to the gateway email server, a return AMD is
sent to the initiating user. SMTP will detect success, and three failure
modes. Upon sending an SMTP message you will receive a return AMD with a
success indication or one of the following error messages:
•SMTP host not reachable
• Malformed receiving address
• Malformed sending address

You can test with CALLSIGN-ARRL.ORG - It will trigger the failure.
It assumes your callsign @ the default domain, which is for winlink.org
for valid licensed amateur callsigns.

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Send short text messages to a cell phone by ham radio ALE on HF through
an HFN Pilot Station to a USA Cell Mobile Wireless Phone Email
Addresses. Instructions various phone systems are at:
http://hflink.com/mobilephone/

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Winmor can also be used for sending traffic on some MarsAle stations
such as the WD8ARZ MarsAle Pilot Station. In order to do so, first make
a connection to this station using ALE mode. Then using your Winmor
program, make a connection and use it as you normally would for checking
your WL2K mail and sending text messages / mail. When you disconnect
from Winmor and Ale, the station will resume scanning and sounding.

WL2K Tri-Mode / WINMOR programs can be downloaded from:
ftp://autoupdate.winlink.org/

To get a list of current WINMOR active stations, check the listing at:
http://www2.winlink.org:8081/gatewayChannels.aspx

Choose the WINMOR option above the table. Default list at this time is
in call sign order. For example scroll down to WD8ARZ and you will see:
Posted Callsign Grid Square Center Freq Mode Hours QTH
221516Z WD8ARZ EN61UR 24,927.5KHz WINMOR 1600 00-23 South Bend, IN

Note that the center frequency shown for this station is only showing
one frequency (dial frequency is 24926.0KHZ). BUT because the MarsAle
program is scanning the HfLink Pilot Ale Channels, ALL those ALE
frequencies ARE available for WINMOR connections.

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Pass the word around, and please encourage as much participation in
advance so there is learning curve time, and systems can be tested and
debugged.

Due to the wave after wave of thunderstorms sweeping through my area, my
on the air activity will be chaotic. My Station will be on the air as
much as the lightening activity will allow.... and this 265' long
Carolina Windom antenna doesnt like lightening one bit.

Thanks to all of you, as you all do so much for many more than any of us
will ever know.

73 from Bill - WD8ARZ
South Bend, Indiana
http://hflink.net
Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
2014-06-28 11:36:04 UTC
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Yes, there is a difference between ANSRVR and CQSRVR and no, they are
not connected together.

CQSRVR is the original server and is designed for calling "CQ" and then
listening for a while. It has a limit on how frequently you can send a
message to the group and requires that you must send a message to remain
a member of the group to receive messages.

ANSRVR is the new server and is designed for sending announcements to an
interested group. There is (currently) no limit on how frequently you
can send a message to the group (designed for multi-message information
passing aka announcements) and there is a feature to allow quietly
monitoring a group (renewing your group membership without sending a
message).

Bob seems to forget that ANSRVR exists and falls back to his original
CQSRVR documentation, although besides the differences above, they both
accept the same commands. I monitor ANSRVR's FD year-round, but try to
remember to join CQSRVR's FD group on field day only.

Oh, and they both should have ack'd your CQ FD. Which one didn't?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32
I tested out ANSRVR today before I headed out to setup, saw one other
station come up. Is there a difference between the two besides one
ACKS and the other doesn't? Should I sign into both? Are they
connected somehow?
73,
hope to hear some of you during field day, I'll be with my club, W2HO.
-Peter
--
KC2ASA (active on APRS - try Voice Alert or send a MSG)
Skywarn Spotter# 13-249NYC
Wx station:http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KNYSLOAT1
Don’t forget, you can call CQ to every other APRS Field Day site in
the country using Pete’s CQSRVR (or Lynn’s ANSRVR).
Sitting there at your portable FD APRS station, reach out to the world.
STEP 1: Just send an APRS message to CQSRVR and make the first two
words of the message be “CQ FD 
” and your exchange.
Your message will go to every other APRS FD site that has also sent
such a message.
But like any band, calling CQ is usless unless someone answers.
STEP 2: When you see similar CQ’s from other APRS stations, now you
have their callsign!
STEP 3: MAKE the QSO by now sending a specific MESSAGE to their
CALLSIGN acknowledging their exchange info.
STEP 4: When you see an ACK, the QSO is complete.
These contacts do NOT COUNT for FD points. But heck, it is fun, and
what else is APRS for but fun and showing off.
See http://aprs.org/cqsrvr.html
Bob, Wb4APR
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Robert Bruninga
2014-06-28 17:44:12 UTC
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I'll check out CQSRVR today as well.
P.S. Would a direct RF (non-digipeater) contact count for FD credit?
Yes APRS contacts (DIRECT only, no digipeaters) count 2 points for a
digitial contact.

Bob
Stephen H. Smith
2014-06-29 14:30:06 UTC
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Post by Robert Bruninga
Yes APRS contacts (DIRECT only, no digipeaters) count 2 points for a
digitial contact.
Bob
Was W3ADO a victim of dumb receive-only igates at field day?

I was able to successfully send to CQSRVR and get an ack back almost instantly
(i.e. I had a solid RF<-->Internet link from my field day location in southeast
Michigan).

I had a successful two-way with K6ARC (my former club in California) after they
appeared on CQSRVR (i.e. full two-way RF<-->Internet two-way igates at both ends).

However, I sent several messages to W3ADO after his announce on CQSRVR, but
never got an ACK or response back. It appeared to be that W3ADO was being
passed to the APRS-IS by one-way (receive-only) igates with no way to get back
to him.

I found this message a bit puzzling, as through W3ADO realized there was an
Internet link problem:

"CQ FD - send me MSG direct!"

_____________________________________________________

--

Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype: WA8LMF
EchoLink: Node # 14400 [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page: http://wa8lmf.net


Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/HF_APRS_Notes.htm

"APRS 101" Explanation of APRS Path Selection & Digipeating
http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths

Pete Loveall AE5PL Lists
2014-06-29 11:07:20 UTC
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Not a competition: CQSRVR=calling CQ, ANSRVR=Announcements. 2 different purposes. For something like Field Day where your intent is to call CQ, CQSRVR makes sense. For events where you want to announce information, ANSRVR makes sense.

73,

Pete Loveall AE5PL
pete at ae5pl dot net
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [aprssig] [APRS] APRS CQ FD tomorrow!
Yes, there is a difference between ANSRVR and CQSRVR and no, they are not
connected together.
CQSRVR is the original server and is designed for calling "CQ" and then
listening for a while. It has a limit on how frequently you can send a message
to the group and requires that you must send a message to remain a
member of the group to receive messages.
ANSRVR is the new server and is designed for sending announcements to an
interested group. There is (currently) no limit on how frequently you can
send a message to the group (designed for multi-message information
passing aka announcements) and there is a feature to allow quietly
monitoring a group (renewing your group membership without sending a
message).
Bob seems to forget that ANSRVR exists and falls back to his original CQSRVR
documentation, although besides the differences above, they both accept
the same commands. I monitor ANSRVR's FD year-round, but try to
remember to join CQSRVR's FD group on field day only.
Oh, and they both should have ack'd your CQ FD. Which one didn't?
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