Discussion:
Digital two-way Radio communication in emergency situations
SARTrack Admin
2014-09-05 06:12:22 UTC
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Hi all,

As the CEO of SARTrack Limited, and developer of the SARTrack Search and
Rescue software, I get occasionly approached by Emergency Services
organisations who basically require a full two-way *radio* based
tracking and communication system for teams in the field, in disaster
situations where all other communication networks have failed or are out
of range.

SARTrack Limited did build type-approved (non Amateur Radio) based APRS
Trackers and Digipeaters, but we no longer do this.
While the SARTrack software can transmit Operation Logs and Objects over
an APRS radio link, this is really not recommended, as the 1200 bps
radio channel is simply not fast enough for that kind of work, and APRS
is obviously not the right protocol for reliable two-way communication.

My question is this:
- What does currently exists in the area of affordable two-way, medium
speed, digital radio equipment, which can be somehow connected to a user
interface like maybe a smartphone or another device which enables
display on a screen and entering data on a (digital) keyboard?

I start to wonder if it would be possible to develop a 'commercial'
package which would make it possible to send people out in the field, on
foot or vehicle, carrying a VHF radio based system like this, and using
(portable) Digipeaters for same system to setup links to a remote base.
There is clearly a market for this, as 'hi-speed' satellite based
systems are incredible expensive and probably more in the militairy
domain...

The radio link speed would have to be at least 9600 bps, and it should
preferably a full digital signal like PSK or QPSK or some other suitable
digital modulation type.

Any ideas and information welcome.

Thanks

Bart Kindt
SARTrack Limited
http://www.sartrack.co.nz/
--
SARTrack Developer and CEO
Gary Stern
2014-09-05 07:02:12 UTC
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I do know of a man down (security) application which actually uses SMS
(&voice).
Post by SARTrack Admin
Hi all,
As the CEO of SARTrack Limited, and developer of the SARTrack Search and
Rescue software, I get occasionly approached by Emergency Services
organisations who basically require a full two-way *radio* based
tracking and communication system for teams in the field, in disaster
situations where all other communication networks have failed or are out
of range.
SARTrack Limited did build type-approved (non Amateur Radio) based APRS
Trackers and Digipeaters, but we no longer do this.
While the SARTrack software can transmit Operation Logs and Objects over
an APRS radio link, this is really not recommended, as the 1200 bps
radio channel is simply not fast enough for that kind of work, and APRS
is obviously not the right protocol for reliable two-way communication.
- What does currently exists in the area of affordable two-way, medium
speed, digital radio equipment, which can be somehow connected to a user
interface like maybe a smartphone or another device which enables
display on a screen and entering data on a (digital) keyboard?
I start to wonder if it would be possible to develop a 'commercial'
package which would make it possible to send people out in the field, on
foot or vehicle, carrying a VHF radio based system like this, and using
(portable) Digipeaters for same system to setup links to a remote base.
There is clearly a market for this, as 'hi-speed' satellite based
systems are incredible expensive and probably more in the militairy
domain...
The radio link speed would have to be at least 9600 bps, and it should
preferably a full digital signal like PSK or QPSK or some other suitable
digital modulation type.
Any ideas and information welcome.
Thanks
Bart Kindt
SARTrack Limited
http://www.sartrack.co.nz/
SARTrack Admin
2014-09-05 15:50:15 UTC
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Very cool :)

But now we need the repeaters for it, and the licencing for the use of
the VHF frequencies they use...

Bart
Have you seen this?
http://gotenna.com/
...
/jordan
--
SARTrack Developer and CEO
q***@public.gmane.org
2014-09-05 22:35:48 UTC
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If I understand correctly it is proprietary - so only
if others have the same device will it work.

What are the odds that enough of the people you really
"need" to communicate with will own them and have them
and have them fully-charged and be in-range and be able
to keep the power-levels up when you most need them?

IMHO, YMMV ... David - KD4E
Post by SARTrack Admin
Very cool :)
But now we need the repeaters for it, and the licencing for the use of
the VHF frequencies they use...
Bart
Have you seen this?
http://gotenna.com/
...
/jordan
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Max Harper
2014-09-06 00:29:02 UTC
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And it doesn't have a replaceable battery. Kind of expensive to throw away after a couple of years.

Max KG4PID


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If I understand correctly it is proprietary - so only
if others have the same device will it work.

What are the odds that enough of the people you really
"need" to communicate with will own them and have them
and have them fully-charged and be in-range and be able
to keep the power-levels up when you most need them?

IMHO, YMMV ... David - KD4E
Post by SARTrack Admin
Very cool :)
But now we need the repeaters for it, and the licencing for the use of
the VHF frequencies they use...
Bart
Have you seen this?
http://gotenna.com/
...
/jordan
--
David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA

Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com

Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/

Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22
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